Must read postings related to Fire Service Safety Culture versus the Culture of Extinguishment…Read on
Follow the Yellow Brick Road By Chief Art Goodrich
Borrowing and paraphrasing a comment made by FDNY Lt. Ray McCormack, I would wonder in his safety culture if I were the Cowardly Lion for a lack of courage, the Tin Man for lack of a heart or the Scarecrow for lack of a brain. I would think maybe some of all three, but this I know: Last week at FDIC, in just under 40 minutes, Safety in the fire service took a major hit.From the opening salvo delivered by Chief Bobby Halton to his “body-burying buddy”, FDNY Lt. Ray McCormack; disdain, indifference and apathy for a safer fire service was never more evident. And clearly, I will respectfully disagree with their messages in this year of personal responsibility for safety.
This I want to die with my boots on mentality in the fire service is killing us. I cannot recall one incident where SAFETY killed one of us at an incident. So, it is Safety that is our only hope for reducing injuries and deaths; both firefighter AND civilian.
http://thekitchentable.firerescue1.com/2009/04/follow-yellow-safety-brick-road.html
Firefighter Hourly’s Jay Lowry view points
Ray McCormack’s FDIC speech certainly seems to have split opinion across the fire service. Art Goodrich offered his take earlier on TKT. Fellow Kitchen Tabler and FR1 columnist Jay Lowry over at his FirefighterHourly blog gives a different perspective in the following post:
“When Lt. Ray McCormack stated the fire service was wrong in placing the lives of firefighters above the lives of civilians at FDIC the remarks found firefighters scratching their heads.However, to his credit, the Lieutenant said what needed to be said.
In departments nationwide safety is a concern but in some the emphasis on safety detracts from their ability to do the job effectively. This isn’t what firefighters are trained to do nor is it healthy for operations. In fact, an emphasis on safety can put firefighters in unsafe positions due to a timid approach.
http://thekitchentable.firerescue1.com/2009/04/ray-mccormacks-fdic-speech-certainly.html
Chief Mick Mayer’s: Let’s Talk Unemotionally About this
While I have been pursuing the discussion only peripherally as I have been very busy lately, I noted an undertone of something that I guess has nagged at me for quite some time. After thinking about it for a few days, I realized that the issues could actually be approached from a very pragmatic view that I posted at Firehouse Zen today.
Let’s just clarify some statements. I was not at FDIC for the big discussion, so I am only acting on what I am reading. But let’s just say that the argument that some organizations are too worried about safety and are not pursuing fires aggressively enough, and are therefore doing a disservice to their communities is a valid one. And let’s also bring into play another thing I keep hearing, that it is ridiculous to refer to the people we serve as “customers”, as also valid, although I think that customers is a better term for them than some of the other names I have called them under my breath at 0400. But I digress.
So then, what are they? Well, I guess the best thing to say is that they are “taxpayers”. After all, our service is largely supported by tax revenue in one way or another, so I think that is probably a pretty accurate definition, although I could argue that some of them aren’t paying taxes and maybe should be deserving of no service, but then again, I digress. Let’s say that even in a community that supports a robust volunteer response agency by way of donations only, the citizens and other potential users are in some form or fashion, paying for a service in which they expect some competency, timeliness, and efficiency.
Continue Reading Let’s Talk Unemotionally About It
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Chief Ben Waller’s Extinguishment Culture or Safety Culture – Smart Fire Departments can have BOTH!
If you have a personal or departmental “Extinguishment Culture”, would you grab a line and enter this flashed over abandoned house that is showing signs of impending collapse? If you have a personal or departmental “Safety Culture”, would you wear your SCBA , a traffic safety vest, and crank a PPV fan while sitting in the rig a half-mile down the street? Chances are, if you are a U.S. firefighter, you’ll choose an option somewhere in between the two extremes.
In his recent FDIC speech, Lt. Ray McCormack, made some statements that have, to say the least, generated a great deal of controversy in the U.S. fire service. His comments in favor of an “Extinguishment Culture” and against a “Safety Culture” in particular have stimulated a lot of thought, comment, disagreement, and counter-disagreement. Art “ChiefReason” Goodrich, in particular, blogged a sharp and well-articulated counterpoint to Lt. McCormack’s thoughts, here.
http://thekitchentable.firerescue1.com/2009/05/extinguishment-culture-or-safety.html
Chief Art Zern’s Take Risk or Write it Off, Part 2
Back in January, I wrote a blog post asking the questi
on, “Can we establish a common understanding of risk? Or.. should we write it off?” Because my tongue was planted firmly in my cheek when I posed the question, I don’t want the point to be missed. I believe our duty to ourselves and our beloved fire service cannot be separated from our duty to the citizens we are sworn to and are obligated to protect. What is good for us is good for them.
My question is, are we seeing this trend to “let it burn” because we have given-up the fight to provide our members with all of those things that are necessary to provide effective and efficient fire and rescue services? Have we rolled-over, bent-over and given up our hopes to provide excellent service and the ability to accurately assess risk?
Have we allowed those that seek to undermine our mission to gain a foot-hold? Have we become complacent because we don’t believe it can or will happen today? Are the enemies of the fire service going to be allowed to dismantle our combat readiness to the point where the easy or only option is to “let it burn”?
When you have a few minutes, please view the FDIC keynote speech given by Lt. Ray McCormack. It was indeed an honor for me to be present as Lt. McCormack delivered a passionate plea to the fire service, to keep fire in our lives. I couldn’t agree more and as the saying goes, Ray’s speech spoke to me. Rather than commenting on or adding to Ray’s speech, I’ll let it stand on its own as a clarion call to the American fire service. We can’t allow the “safety experts” that promote the “let it burn” philosophy to convince firefighters that we should place our safety and our lives above the lives of our citizens.
http://community.fireengineering.com/profiles/blog/show?id=1219672%3ABlogPost%3A137785
Chief Pete Lamb’s “The Speech..”
There is a whole bunch of banter going on in the Internet world about the FDIC speech of FDNY Lt. Ray McCormack. I am a little late getting to this but I wanted to throw my two cents in about this issue.These thoughts are in no particular order and just represent what I think I heard in replaying it a couple of times.I am going to use the phrase ” I think I heard” in the points listed below. It does not represent the actual quotes that the Lt. used it is my impression and opinion of those points. (Official disclaimer, no flaming emails please ! (grin)
http://thekitchentable.firerescue1.com/search/label/petelamb
Chief Ed Hartin; Culture of Safety or Culture of Extinguishment
I had intended to write today’s post simply about the IFE Compartment Firefighting Special Interest Group in Sydney, Australia. However, the recent keynote presentation at the Fire Department Instructors Conference (FDIC) by FDNY Lieutenant Ray McCormack claiming the fire service needs a “culture of extinguishment not safety” cannot pass without comment.
I wonder how much of the commentary on the web is based on quotations pulled from LT McCormack’s Keynote Presentation or simply extension of comments by others. If you want to know what he said, listen to his entire presentation.
Too Much Safety
I disagree with much, but not all of what LT McCormack had to say. One of the memorable quotes from this speech is “Too much safety makes Johnny a poor leader and a terrible rescuer.” What does this really mean?
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